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Bob
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:50 pm    Post subject: Urraca and urraca Reply with quote

As has been mentioned in another thread, Urraca was a queen during the 12th century. Urraca also means magpie (Pica pica).. Is one named after the other? If so, why?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nun ye mui bien d'aú sal el nome Urraca. Pero'l sustantivu "urraca" ye una pallabra castellana, porque esi páxaru n'asturianu (o polo menos na fastera central), llámase pega. Na Edá Media hebo un par d'Urraques famoses, una d'elles, creo que reina de Navarra, conocía pol alcuñu de "l'Asturiana".
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No se muy bien de dónde sale el nombre Urraca. Pero el sustantivo "urraca" es una palabra castellana, porque ese pájaro en asturiano (o por lo menos en la zona central), se llama "pega". En la Edad Media hubo un par de Urracas famosas, una de ellas, creo que reina de Navarra, conocida por el sobrenombre de "la Asturiana".

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I don't know very well where the name Urraca came from. But the noun "urraca" is a Castilian word, because in Asturian we call this bird "pega" (at least in the central zone of Asturias). In the Middle Ages there was a pair of famous Urracas. One of them, I think, was the queen of Navarra and known by the nickname of "La Asturiana."
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that, although "urraca" is phonetically ugly, the bird itself is beautiful and just as some girls are called "Paloma" these days (or Robin in English-speaking countries), it seems that Urraca was a popular name in the middle ages. I know of 3 Urracas of some relevance.
1. Urraca Paterna - wife of Asturian king Ramino I (Urraca la Asturiana)
2. Queen Urraca of León and Castille - daughter of Emperor Alfonso VI
3. Urraca de Castilla - (great-dranddaughter of Urraca no. 2), daughter of Alfonso VIII and Eleonor Plantagenet (sister of Richard I of England - Richard the Lionheart).

If you like historic biographies, there are several about Queen Urraca, who inherited the Christian Empire of Alfonso VI, and whose second husband Alfonso el Batallador (king of Aragón and Navarra) did nothing but try to take it away from her, to the point of kidnapping her and locking her up in a castle. After she managed to escape, he besieged the other castle where she found refuge, etc.
She could get no respect - like Rodney Dangerfield! Laughing
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Creo que, aunque urraca sea fonéticamente feo, el pájaro en sí es guapo y al igual que ahora se les pone a las niñas Paloma (o Robin en países de habla inglesa), parece ser que Urraca fue un nombre popular en la edad media. Yo sé de al menos 3 Urras de alguna relevancia:

1. Urraca Paterna (La Asturiana) - esposa de Ramiro I
2. Doña Urraca de León y Castilla - hija del emperador Alfonso VI
3. Urraca de Castilla - tataranieta de la 2a. e hija de Alfonso VIII y Leonor Plantagenet (hermana de Ricardo Corazón de León).

Si os gustan las biografías históricas, hay varias sobre la reina Doña Urraca(heredera del imperio de Alfonso VI), cuyo segundo marido, Alfonso el Batallador (rey de Aragón y Navarra) no hizo otra cosa más que intentar quitárselo todo, hasta el punto de secuestrarla y encerrarla en un castillo, y cuando la pobre consiguió fugarse, asedió el castillo donde se había refugiado...en fin! No conseguía hacerse respetar - le pasaba como a Rodney Dangerfield! Laughing

Terechu
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