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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:07 am    Post subject: Mt. Carondio: A Llastra da Filadoira (dolmen) Reply with quote

After several attempts, we finally located the Llastra da Filadoira on a very wet morning. The megalith and the stone alignment next to it have already been discussed by Mouguias in the following thread: http://www.asturianus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11416#11416

The dolmen and the burial mounds in the Carondio mountain range historically belonged to County Ayande (Allande). After the border was redrawn between counties (technically a conceyu or concello is a ‘council’, not a county), the Llastra da Filadoira is now just over the demarcation line in County Eilao (Illano). The highland heath separates the Navia River Valley from the Narcea River Valley. This is also an ancient tribal and language border.

As Mouguias described it, the high altitude (925 meters; 3,034 feet) and barren landscape make the Llastra da Filadoira quite a haunting place. Geologically, the area is a mix of slate and quartzite from the Cambrian and Ordovician periods. The Neolithic site, referred to by locals in Eirias (Herias) as ‘A tumba’ (the tomb) or ‘A pedrua’ (the large stone), lies at the foot of Mt. Carondio (1,222 meters; 4,009 feet). According to GoogleEarth, a rough GPS reading for the dolmen is: 43°19’ 27 N and 6° 46’ 02 W.

Known as the Carreiriega de los Gal.legos (the passage or causeway of the Galicians), the burial sites date to the Late Neolithic. A man we met down in Eirias told us he used to work as ‘vareixador’ (pole shaker for chestnut trees) when he was young and made frequent trips to La Puela (Pola de Allande) along the Carreiriega, which took 3 hours. We forgot to ask if he did it on foot or on horseback.

According to field work done in 1983 by anthropologist Armando Graña, in which he documented 34 interconnected megalithic sites, the Carondio mountain range is a cultural continuum that starts at the dolmen of Filadoira and runs all the way up to the Altu La Marta, a distance of about 11 kilometers (6.8 miles).

Unfortunately, this is precisely where one of Asturias’ new 33 wind farms is projected to go up, with all the damage it entails to archaeological sites. We still have time (April 2009) to convince the archaeological service in Asturias that it should stop the large-scale destruction of this unique Neolithic site. I will be posting email addresses this week where you can send quick emails to local authorities.

Meanwhile, here are a few pictures to whet (or wet) your appetite and go for a hike to A Llastra da Filadoira:


Foi la 3er vez que xubieramos a Carondio a la gueta da Llastra da Filadoira. Del megalitu, tamen conociu cumo ‘dolmen d’Enterrios’, xa falou Mouguias no filu: http://www.asturianus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11416#11416

Las tumbas ya outros tumulos na cordal de Carondio fadian parte del Conceyu d’Ayande (Allande) hasta vei pouco, cuando refixenon la l.linea de demarcacion pa col conceyo vecin d’Eilao (Illano). Agora ta del l.lau d’Eilao.

Filadoira ta nuna l.lanada alta con uzales que fai de l.linde ente’l val.le del Rio Navia ya’l del Narcea. Tamen ia una fronteira prehistorica ente xentes ya falas.

Cumo describiu Mouguias, tratase d'una campa a 925m. El paisaxe ermo fai que ‘A Pedrua’ tenga presencia cuasique iconica. El tarren ia pizarroso, con peneos de cuarcita del Cambrico ya Ordovicico. Filadoira ta al pia de Carondio, un monte de 1.222m. Una coordenada no GoogleEarth da: 43°19’ 27 N and 6° 46’ 02 W.

Muitos conocen el carreiro que pasaba pril.li cumo la Carreiriega de los Gal.legos. Un paisanu n’Eirias (Herias) cuntaranos que trabayou de mozu de vareixador ya que tardaba 3 horas en chegar a La Puela (Pola de Allande). Esqueicimos entruga-y si diba a pia ou montau a caballo.

Segun un trabayu de campu que feixo l’antropologo Armando Graña en 1983, la sierra ou 'a serra' de Carondio tien 34 xacimientos neoliticos (tumulos, megalitos) que fain un continuum d'unos 10km dende’l dolmen de Filadoira hasta chegar al Altu la Marta.

La pena ia que aiqui ia au el Principau, altravies d'una filial d'enerxia renovables de HC Energia chamada NEO Energia, quier l.lantar un de los 33 novos parques eolicos n’Asturias, con tou el desaniciu que tien pa sitios arqueoloxicos cumo Carondio.

Inda hai tiempu (abril 2009) pa presentar alegaciones ya afalar a la Conseyeria de Cultura del Principau a que ponga torgas al plan. Vou poner la direicion no foru pa sumase a esta iniciativa de base.

Aiqui van del.las semeyas da Llastra da Filadoira que fixeramos esi dia:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:27 pm    Post subject: Re: A Llastra da Filadoira (dolmen) Reply with quote

Is wrote:
...The highland heath separates the Navia River Valley from the Narcea River Valley. This is also an ancient tribal and language border.
Known as the Carreiriega de los Gal.legos (the passage or causeway of the Galicians), the burial sites date to the Late Neolithic. A man we met down in Heirias told us he used to work as ‘bareixador’ (pole shaker for chestnut trees) when he was young and made frequent trips to La Puela (Pola de Allande) along the Carreiriega, which took 3 hours. ...
According to field work done in 1983 by anthropologist Armando Grana, in which he documented 34 interconnected megalthic sites, the Carondio mountain range is a cultural continuum that starts at the dolmen of Filadoira and runs all the way up to the Altu La Marta, a distance of about 11 kilometers (6.8 miles).

That's interesting, Is.

Is this tribal and language border between central and western Asturian, between the Astures and the Galaicos, or ??

Is the path between Heirias and La Puela along a mountain ridge? And is the continuum between Filadoira and the Altu La Marta also along a more or less continuous ridge?


Eso es muy interesante, Is.

¿Es este fronteriza entre idiomas y tribales entre asturianu central y asturianu occidental, entre los Astures y los Galaicos, o qué?

¿Es la ruta de acceso entre Heirias y La Puela a lo largo de una cadena de montañas? ¿Y es la continuidad entre Filadoira y el Altu La Marta también a lo largo de una cresta más o menos continua?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Filadoira dolmen on the heath marks a border of sorts between the Paesici (Astures pesicos) and Albiones (Galaicos), with the River Navia as the physical boundary. On clear days, you can see for miles in both a westerly and easterly direction.

The language shift from West Asturian to Galician is also evident along those lines, although arguably it's a gradual transition. In villages like Heirias, they already speak a fala (Galician-Asturian) even though it lies east of the Navia.

For more info on the Albiones (notice the cognate to Albion, the Greco-Roman place name for Great Britain) and for a map of the pre-Roman tribes:


You're right about the Neolithic sites: the burial mounds along the 10km corridor are located atop the mountain ridge, except for Filadoira itself which is at the foot of Mount Carondio. Ayandes is much more informed about this than I could possibly be...

Here's a view of the megalith facing east to County Villayon:


Filadoira ta na l.linde ente los territorios de pesicos (astures) ya albiones (galaicos), col Navia cumo separacion fisica. Nun dia claro vese bien dende’l dolmen pa dambos l.laos, tanto en direicion a Villayon cumo a los val.les del Navia.

Tamen sirve de l.linde ente idiomas. Pa un l.lau tan los falantes d’asturianu oucidental ya pal outru los de gal.lego ou a fala, magar qu’el cambeu de rexistro seya gradual. Por exemplo, na aldea d’Heirias, que ta p’aco del Navia, falan gal.lego.

Pa mas informacion sobre los albiones (ia interesante que coincida esti nome col nomatu Greco-romano pa Gran Bretana) ya un mapa de las etnias prerromanas n’Asturias, mirai aiqui:


No cincante los xacimientos neoliticos de Carondio, hai tumulos nun corredor d’unos 10km que vei dende Carondio hasta chegar al Altu la Marta, siempre na cresta de la cordal, menos el dolmen de Filadoira que ta na campa. D'esto sabe muitu mas que you Ayandes...

Esta ia la vista deica’l conceyu de Villayon:

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This is an English version of the article about Carondio and its Neolithic sites that will appear in Asturias tomorrow, May 22, 2009. I'll also post a PDF with the Asturian version once it has been released.

Carondio (Asturias): wind turbines vs. dolmens

A project by HC Energia threatens 34 Neolithic sites in County Allande. Wind farm promoters in Spain increasingly target low-income districts with little political leverage.

Few people dislike wind power. It is a clean, renewable source that adds diversity to a country’s energy mix. For Spain, a country that imported 24 million tons of coal in 2007 and depends on hydrocarbon imports, it is a boon. With 8,300MW of installed capacity, wind covers nearly 6% of domestic electricity demand. But are ancient sites fair game for a wind farm, including its access roads and power lines?

On April 3, 2009, the Asturian Department of Environment, Planning and Infrastructure gave its green light to a wind farm in the Carondio and Murellos mountains of County Allande. The Urban Planning Commission of the Principality (CUOTA) approved file 234/2007, a plan frozen on regulatory grounds since 2001. Carondio is a Neolithic continuum that includes dolmens such as A Llastra da Filadoira. Archaeologists have also discovered a Roman military encampment nearby.

The 2001 plan was promoted by Genesa, a subsidiary of Hidrocantabrico. The company is 80% owned by NEO Energia, the renewable energy arm of HC Energia, in turn part of the Lisbon-based EDP Group. Its original intent was to plant 61 wind turbines in Carondio. Each tower, 45m high, would be connected to other units via an internal15.8km grid. Power lines would then link it to a substation at another wind farm 8km away. Overall, excavators would need to move 10,428m3 of earth.

In exchange, County Allande (pop. 2,181 ) would cash in €260,000 per year , plus site approvals and taxes. This amounts to extra income of €119 per person over a 25-year-period, the estimated lifetime of a wind farm. Local job creation would be minimal, since technical repairs are usually carried out by a mobile team of specialists. The question is if €119 per person is a price worth paying for the destruction of a prehistoric legacy—and a tourist resource of future generations.

The turbine: G52-850 kW

In April 2009, Gamesa announced the sale of 19 wind turbines to NEO Energia destined for the new wind farm at Curiscao-Pumar, also in West Asturias The order was for Gamesa’s G52, the company’s latest high-wind model with an output of 850kW per unit. The turbines projected for Carondio are likely to be G52s.

The specifications of the G52-850 kW model include a rotor diameter of 52m and a height of the tower ranging from 44-65m, depending on the number of sections. The mechanical design consists of a main shaft supported by two spherical bearings. According to the maker, it comes with a system of ‘total lightning protection’.

In September 2008, nine cows were struck by lighting in a single storm in Bustel.lan, Tinéu (Tineo). Local farmers complained they are increasingly subject to thunderstorms since the wind farm was installed. The municipality cashes in on the deal, but the farmers are left to deal with dead cows and noise. Insurers typically cover only half of the cost of a cow killed by lightning.

Asturias had 303.4MW of installed wind capacity as of January, equivalent to 1.82% of overall Spanish capacity. Production capacity at NEO Energia’s other wind farm in Allande (Sierra de los Lagos, 59 turbines) is already 40.6MW . The regional government is keen on €1 billion worth of new projects through 2015. But it is West Asturias that is bearing the brunt of this policy.

Neolithic sites

On its website, the dolmen of A Llastra da Filadoira is the leading item in the municipality’s cultural page (http://www.allande.org/cultura.asp). In addition, the Carondio and Murellos mountains are referred to as a ‘protected landscape’.

Indeed, the Cambrian landscape here is a unique repository of Neolithic barrows. There are more than 34 sites catalogued along a 10km corridor of highland known locally as ‘La Carreiriega de los Gal.legos’. The megaliths along this prehistoric causeway were first documented in the 18th century by the Count of Toreno. In 1963, they were included in an archaeological survey by Francisco Jorda. Anton Garcia Linares, the chronicler of County Allande, carried out place name research in the 1970s.

It was anthropologist Armando Graña who catalogued each barrow and stone alignment in a 1983 study . In it, Graña provides geographic coordinates for each burial site, starting with the megaliths of La Marta (1,148m). They run northeast along the mountains toward Peneos Malos, above the village of El Rebollu. In the heights of Moyapan, they continue in a southwesterly direction to Mt. Carondio (1,222m). Some are well preserved, like the barrow at Llaguninos. Others are simple groupings of stones.

Overall, the megalithic remains of Carondio are similar to other finds in northwestern Spain. They include wayside markers with burial chambers, as well as upright stones without a funerary pit. Most are located at junctures along the prehistoric causeway that served as a transportation link between the Navia and the Narcea river valleys. In all cases, the megaliths open their chambers and forecourts in an easterly direction.

A Llastra da Filadoira or Dolmen d’Enterrios (43°19’ 31’’ N and 6° 45’ 55.72’’ W ) is the most impressive of all the chamber tombs. Located on a heath below Mt. Carondio, it was catalogued by Graña as No. 20, together with two nearby mounds. The dolmen, which stands 1.2m high, is located next to a stone alignment now covered with heather bushes. Filadoira was already missing pieces in the 19th century. After breaking apart in the 20th century, the capstone was put back together by locals. During storms, it still serves as a refuge.

Roman encampment at Moyapan

The discovery of a Roman military encampment has added a bang to the county’s archaeological itinerary. Andres Menendez and David Gonzalez, from the University of Oviedo and Madrid’s Complutense, came upon a trapezoid-shaped camp off the road to Bustantigo while testing SigPac imaging software provided by Spain’s Ministry of Agriculture. The encampment could date to the 1st century AD, when gold mining in the valley of the Rio del Oro was at its peak.

Moyapan (43° 20’ 17’’ and 6° 42’ 30’’ W) is one of only two Roman-period military sites in Asturias. It covers a craggy area of 1.5 hectares. The camp’s fortification has left a clear imprint on three sides. Vital to any Roman camp was a source of water and place names in the vicinity such as Llamadonas and Fonterroqueiros attest to the presence of springs. In their study, Menendez and Gonzalez alerted to the danger that power lines or wind turbines could pose to the find. The archaeologists notified the regional Department of Culture in June 2007.

Environmental Impact Assessment (2001)

According to the Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) submitted by Genesa in 2001 (BOPA 27-II-2001, p. 2375), the promoter of the wind farm in Carondio was given a preliminary go-ahead 8 years ago by the Environmental Affairs Commission of Asturias. But issuing of the permit was made contingent on aspects of hydrology, as well as the physical impact on archaeology and landscape.

The Directorate of Culture, in charge of historic preservation in Asturias, proposed keeping the turbines at a distance of 75m from Neolithic remains. Access roads would likewise need to keep a distance of 25m. The same would apply for the 8km power line to the substation at El Puertu’l Palu. A burial chamber at El Zapurrel, meanwhile, would have a 50m perimeter no-go area. To mitigate visual impact at Boxo (a nature preserve) and Campel (a highland settlement), 10 turbines were knocked off the plan. As for the ancient causeway of La Carreiriega, the company would not be able to use it as a service road.

According to Graña, the archaeological inventory for Allande has not been updated correctly because it lacks an inventory of ancient roadways. Registering the Carreiriega now as a prehistoric itinerary would give the whole mountain area an archaeological unity that could save it from wholesale destruction. The construction crews of NEO Energia will otherwise comply only with the 25-75m rule.

Preventive measures like distance-to-monuments does not work, says Graña. He mentions an access road to the wind farm at Bodenaya, County Salas, which literally split a dolmen in two. The Neolithic burial chambers at El Pividal, also in Salas, are now part of a kaolin mine. In 1977, he and Miguel Angel de Blas unearthed tumuli there. In an attempt to protect the find, they registered it with regional authorities. Thirty-two years later, the kaolin mine has grown in size and the barrows are 10m away from a slag heap.

“Trying to protect single elements piecemeal is a fallacy. The only way to protect archaeological remains is to give special status to an entire continuum. For this to happen, both the municipality and the Principality of Asturias need to have vested interests in the preservation of historic remains,” says Graña.

In Spain, EIAs have had a patchy track record. A study from 1998 by sociologist Mercedes Pardo (University of Navarre) argues that they frequently fail to address potential harm, focusing instead on the economic benefits. Pardo also refers to the danger of connivance between local municipalities and construction companies, a common problem in Spain during its 10-year property bubble.

In the case of Carondio, the EIA of 2001 is based on a Spanish royal decree of 2001, which amended the Principality’s own wind farm directive of 1999. The European Union has since passed a Strategic Environmental Assessment (SEA) directive, now in force in the 27 countries. Under SEA, the seven key areas to address include a cumulative environmental impact as measured by a Leopold matrix . The system examines the cumulative environmental impact of a project—not its piecemeal aspects.

Allande: Dutch disease

Dutch disease is the term used in economics to describe the dependence of countries on a single natural resource. Public services easily become entangled with business interests, leading to a drop in manufacturing and an increase in corruption. Nigeria is a classic example.

Allande is not Nigeria. But its high wind speeds and lack of economic viability has turned it into easy prey for wind farm promoters. Agriculture and fisheries contribute 51% of output here, while services—including tourism—account for another 40%. With per capita income of €10,968, it stood at 39% of Spain’s average in 2006. That difference, together with a low population density (6.37 per km2), is why wind projects have proliferated in the district.

By contrast, regional politicians have not mentioned any wind farm projects in East Asturias. The economy in the eastern town of Llanes (pop. 13,271), for example, is 67% dependent on tourism, a sector that employed 3,340 people in 2006. There were 88 hotels and hostels registered that year, along with 163 country inns and 109 restaurants. With the industrial infrastructure it entails, a wind farm would easily kill tourism.

For Luis Miguel Alvarez, a former mayor of Allande (PP, center-right), the regional government takes advantage of stagnant rural economies with nil political weight to impose a policy that brings short-term benefits at the cost of the area’s environment and archaeological wealth. It is a policy he labels as ‘bread for today and hunger for tomorrow’.

“It’s as if the closer one gets to Galicia, the less we count as constituents in the Principality of Asturias. We’re the last monkeys in the pecking order for regional policymakers. Why do you think no one has proposed a wind farm for the Sierra del Cuera overlooking Llanes?” he asks.

Antonio Riveras, the mayor of Santalla d’Ozcos (IX, left-of-center), has led a new movement against the dumping of wind farms and power lines. In November 2008, he sent a letter to Spain’s national electricity company voicing his opposition to a 75km power line linking Galicia to Asturias. Both regions have an energy production surplus and no need for a new sub-regional grid connection. But a more compelling reason is that 49.7% of the local workforce depends on nature tourism.

Locals in La Puela (Pola de Allande, pop. 767), the county seat, are largely unaware of the transportation network required to forward components. Special access roads will need to cut through town to make space for towers measuring up to 44m in length. Once the infrastructure is up, new wind farm proposals are likely to come in for other pristine valleys such as Bustantigo, Berducedo and Valledor.

At a crossing known locally as El Rapegueiru, there is talk of building a three-lane road leading directly up to El Puertu’l Palu, inconceivable in a town with no stoplights. Others think a link to Carondio via AS-219 running down to the coast is likely.

The new project for 51 wind turbines in Carondio and Murellos can be appealed by filing a complaint, together with legal allegations, by June 3, 2009. The latest EIAs, as well as project blueprints, are available for public viewing at town hall. So far, County Allande has given its consent for the project. The local bagpipers’ band, meanwhile, has rebranded itself as ‘Los Eolicos’ (the wind farmers).
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for sharing this richly detailed article, Is. Will you keep us informed of any response it generates?


Gracias por compartir este artículo tan ricamente detallado, Is. ¿Vas a ponernos al día de cualquier respuesta generada?
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I'll try to post links to the topic of Carondio to see if the wind farm can be stopped before they ruin this magical place during our lifetime as well as damage 6000-year-old megaliths.

Art, if you recall, these are the mountains in County Ayande (Allande) that we showed you from Penouta overlooking the villages of Is, Bendon and Murellos. The dolmen of Filadoira is on the other side of that mountain chain toward County Eilao.

Here is the first link to the Asturian-language weekly Les Noticies where the report first came out:

www.lesnoticies.com [click on 'Carondio: eolicos versus dolmenes]

And a copy & paste from the PDF:

Carondio: eólicos versus dólmenes

Un proyectu d’HC Energía n’Ayande fai peligrar 34 túmulos neolíticos y supón un avance más de los parques nel occidente y nos conceyos con menos medios

Hai poca xente contra enerxía eólico. Ye una fonte llimpia y renovable qu’amiesta diversidá a la base enerxética d’un país. Pal Estáu español, qu'importó 24 millones de tonelaes de carbón nel 2007 y que depende d’importaciones d’hidrocarburos, la xeneracion eólica ta garrando fuerza. Con 8.300 megavatios de capacidá instalada, los molinos cubren el seis por cientu de la demanda eléctrica. ¿Pero pueden llantase parques eólicos
en xacimientos arqueolóxicos?

El 3 d’abril del 2009, la Conseyería de Mediu Ambiente dio'l preste al parque eólicu de Carondio y Murellos (Ayande). La Comision d’Urbanismu y Ordenacion del Territoriu del Principáu (CUOTA) aprobó, con un Plan Especial, el proyectu 234/2007. Dende’l 2001, nun salía p'alantre por tratase d’una zona con bayura de túmulos neolíticos, arriendes de les alegaciones presentaes por particulares y ecoloxistes. Carondio fai parte d’un continuum prehistoricu nel que s’atopen dólmenes como A Llastra da Filadoira. Hai poco, alcontráronse tamien restos d’un campamentu romanu.

Genesa, filial d’Hidrocantábrico, propunxo’l plan pa Carondio nel 2001. Anguaño, la empresa pertenez nun 80 por cientu a NEO Energía, que ye’l brazu renovable de HC Energía, qu'a la vez fai parte del Grupu EDP, con base en Lisboa.Según el proyectu orixinal, Genesa quería llantar 61 molinos en Carondio y Murellos. Cada torre, de 45 metros, taría enllazada colos demás molinos al traviés d’una rede baxo tierra de 15,8 km. Les llinies d’evacuación diríen a la subestación que tien Genesa n'El Puertu’l Palu, a ocho quilómetros de distancia. En total, les paliadores
tendríen que mover 10.428 m3 de tierra.

El Conceyu d’Ayande (con una problación de 2.181 habitantes) cobraría empara 260.000 euros al añu, ensin contar los permisos de construcción y impuestos. La cifra equival a 119 euros por persona y por venticinco años, que ye la vida operativa d’un parque eólico. Puestos de trabayu habría pocos porque’l mantenimientu técnicu de rotores y pieces mecániques fáenlo equipos móviles. La cuestión ye si 119 euros por persona ye un bon preciu pa pagar pol estrozu del paisaxe de Carondio y Murellos, en víes de protección, y un víal prehistóricu con mas de 34 megalitos.

El molín: G52-850 kw

Nuna nota de prensa del 24 d’abril, Gamesa anunció la venta a Genesa (NEO Energía) de 19 aeroxeneradores pal enanchamientu d’un parque eólicu en Curiscáu-El Pumar, tamién nel occidente asturianu. El contratu foi pal modelu G52, axeitáu pa zones altes y vientos fuertes. Trátase d’un molín que produz 850 kw y supónse que llantaríen el mesmu prototipu en
Carondio. Según les sos especificaciones, el rotor del G52-850 kw tien un
diámetru de 52 metros. Les torretes pueden midir dende los 44 metros hasta los 65 metros, dependiendo del númberu de secciones. Según Gamesa, el G52 tamién vien con un «sistema total de pararrayos».

En setiembre del 2008 morrieron nueve vaques electrocutaes por un rayu nun bastiáu en Bustel.lán (Tinéu). La xente del llugar diz que, dende la instalacion de los aeroxeneradores, les descargues eléctriques son de mayor intensidá. El Conceyu de Tinéu cobra les perres de la empresa promotora, nesti casu Northeolic. Pero la xente queda coles vaques muertes y el ruíu. Les aseguradores cubren namás la metá d’una xata muerta por un rayu.

Dende xineru del 2009, el Principáu tien 303,4 megavatios de capacidá de xeneración eólica instalada, lo qu’equival al 1,82 por cientu de la capacidá total del Estáu. La capacidá de producción nel parque eólicu d’Ayande (nel llamáu Sierra de los Lagos, 59 molinos) produz 40,6 megavatios. Pero como nengún parque furrula al 100 por cien de la so capacidá, la media taría alredor del 25 por cientu, o 10,1 megavatios. El Gobiernu asturianu quier da-y el preste a 33 parques nuevos por valor
de 1.000 millones d’euros dica’l 2015. Pero va ser l’occidente asturianu’l
qu’asuma la carga d’eses infraestructures.

Los dólmenes

Na páxina web d’Ayande, el dolmen d'A Llastra da Filadoira encabeza
la llista cultural del conceyu. Tamién afirma que «bona parte del territoriu d’Ayande, cuasi dos tercios, ta declarada como figura de protección medioambiental nel Plan d’Ordenación de Recursos Naturales d’Asturies; ye’l casu del paisaxe protexíu de Carondio y El Valledor».

El paisaxe cámbricu de Carondio atroxa bayura de túmulos neolíticos.
Hai más de 34 catalogaos nun corredor de 10 km, a la vera d’uzales a 1.000 metros d’altor, conocíu como La Carreiriega de los Gallegos. Los dólmenes documentáronse la primera vez nel sieglu XVIII gracies al Conde de Toreno. En 1963, Francisco Jordá incorporólos al so inventariu arqueolóxicu. Antón García Linares, cronista oficial d’Ayande, fixo un estudiu toponímicu nos años 70.

Pero foi l’antropólogu Armando Graña en 1983 el que completó un estudiu metódicu tituláu «El conjunto tumular de “La Carreiriega
de los Gallegos” (Sierra de Carondio, Allande)». Graña dio les
coordenaes xeográfiques pa caún de los túmulos, entamando colos
de La Marta (1.148 metros). Los megalitos bordien la sierra en dirección
a Peneos Malos xunto al pueblu d’El Rebollu. Dende Moyapán,
empobínense dica El Pico Carondio (1.222 metros) en direccion
suroccidental. Hailos abondo bien conservaos, como’l de Los
Llaguninos. Otros son una montonera de piedres.

En xeneral, los megalitos de la sierra de Carondio parécense morfolóxicamente, según Graña, a otros xacimientos del noroeste peninsular. Munches de les tumbes neolítiques fixeron de marcadores de
llindes col pasar del tiempu. La mayor parte atópase a la vera de La
Carreiriega de los Gallegos, que facía de vial ente los valles de los
ríos Navia y Narcea. En tolos casos, los túmulos oriéntense pal este.
A Llastra da Filadoira o Tumba d’Entarríos ye’l más impresionante.
Nuna campa d’uces embaxo El Pico Carondio, foi catalogáu por Graña como’l númberu 20, con dos túmulos na redolada. Llevántase a 1,2 metros d’altor xunto a La Carreiriega. Yá nel sieglu XIX faltáben-y delles llábanes. Nel sieglu XX, cuando se xebró en dos la llábana más grande, la xente del llugar volvió a llevantala. Inda güei sirve a la xente p’atechase.

Campamentu romanu en Moyapán

El descubrimientu d’un campamentu militar de dómina romana
dio inda más rixu al itinerariu arqueolóxicu d’Ayande. Andrés Menéndez y David González, de la Universidá d’Uviéu y la Complutense de Madrid, respectivamente, asoleyaron restos d’una fortificacion con forma trapezoidal –non mui lloñe de la carretera a Bustantigo–depués de rastrexar la zona con SigPac, software con imáxenes satélite del Ministeriu d’Agricultura. El campamentu podría datar del sieglu
I depués de Cristo, de la qu'espoxigara la minería n'El Río del Oro.

Moyapán ye ún de los dos campamentos militares romanos atopaos hasta agora n’Asturies. Ta allugáu xunto a unos peñeos y cubre un área de 1,5 hectárees. Los restos d’una estructura defensiva percíbense nes llinies de sucu a tres llaos del xacimientu. Xunto a Moyapán munchos de los topónimos tán rellacionaos con fontes (Llamaduenas, Fonterroqueiros, etc.), lo que fai suponer que’l campamentu tenía agua cerca. Menéndez y González alertaron yá en xunu del 2007 a la Conseyería de Cultura del peligru que tendríen pal xacimientu postes d’alta tensión o molinos de vientu.

Impactu Ambiental

Según la Declaracion d’Impactu Ambiental (DIA) del 2001, la Comisión p’Asuntos Medioambientales d’Asturies diera lluz verde al proyectu hai ocho años, pero cola condición de que la empresa reconsiderara aspectos hidrolóxicos, amás de los del impactu físicu na arqueoloxía y el paisaxe
de Carondio.

La Dirección Xeneral de Cultura propunxo mantener una distancia de 75 metros a los restos neolíticos. Les víes d’accesu tendríen que se facer a 25 metros de distancia. Lo mesmo s’aplicaría a les torres d’evacuacion d’electricidá a lo llargo d’ocho quilómetros hasta enganchar cola subestación d'El Puertu’l Palu. Mentanto, el túmulu na finca d'El Zapurrel, propiedá de Javier Navia-Osorio, tendría un perímetru de separación de cincuenta metros. P’amenorgar l’impactu visual sobre Boxo (daquella en fase de declarase Monumentu Natural) y les brañes de Campel, quitáron-y a Genesa diez molinos. La promotora tampoco nun diba poder utilizar La Carreiriega como vial de serviciu.

Según Graña, l’inventariu arqueolóxicu d’Ayande ta incompletu al nun tar actualizáu colos viales antiguos. Rexistrar La Carreiriega de los Gallegos como un vial prehistóricu daría-y a tola zona una unidá arqueolóxica que podría salvar a Carondio del estrozu. Si non, los empleaos de Genesa cumpliríen namás la regla de la distancia de 25-75 metros.

Querer guardar distancias con túmulos ye enguedeyao. Davezu, los monumentos tán bien protexíos pola Conseyería de Cultura como elementos individuales. Pero esi nun ye’l casu del espaciu nel que tán
integraos. Eso fai que nel casu del dolmen d’El Pibidal (Salas), el megalitu
tea protexíu. Sicasí, agora ta llantáu en metá d’una mina de caolín. A menos de venti metros del xacimientu ta la escombrera.

"Lo que se tien de protexer nel casu de la sierra de Carondio ye’l conxunto d’elementos. Ye a partir de los elementos arqueolóxicos,
etnográficos, paisaxísticos y monumentales como se-y puede dar un
abellugu llegal amañosu al espaciu enteru», diz Graña.

Nel Estáu español, les DIA tienen un historial probe. Un estudiu de 1998 fechu pola socióloga Mercedes Pardo (Universidá de Navarra) indicaba yá daquella qu’en cuenta d’enfocar l’análisis nos daños que faiga una obra, les DIA ponen l’enfoque nos beneficios económicos a curtiu plazu. Pardo refierse tamién a la connivencia ente conceyos y empreses, una cuestión
qu’empeoró nos diez años de burbuya de la construcción.

Nel casu de Carondio, la DIA del 2001 taba basada nel decretu real
d’esi mesmu añu, qu’actualizó al empar una directiva del Principáu de 1999. Dende aquella, la Unión Europea aprobara otra directiva, la
Evaluación Ambiental Estratéxica (EAE), que tien vigor nos 27 países
comunitarios. Baxo la EAE, siete estayes han d’analizase según una
matriz de Leopold que mide l’impactu acumulativu ambiental d’un proyectu, en cuenta de midir namás aspectos puntuales. L’Estáu español
aplica la EAE pente medies de la Llei 9/2006, del 28 d’abril (BOE

Ayande: "mal holandes"

El mal holandés ye’l términu n’economía que describe la dependencia d’un país d’un recursu namás, como el petroleu o’l gas natural. Los servicios públicos tienden a combayar colos intereses empresariales del sector, faciendo que medre la corrupción y vaigan a menos otres industries. Nixeria ye un exemplu del mal holandés, cola so dependencia nun 95 por cientu de les esportaciones de crudu.

Ayande nun tien petroleu. Pero tien una media de velocidá de vientu alta y la probitú d’opciones económiques fai que sía presa fácil pa empreses como NEO Energía. La llabranza y la pesca contribúin col 51% de la producción del conceyu. El sector de servicios, col turismu, contribúi otru 40%. Con una renta per cápita de 10.968 euros, segun datos del 2006, Ayande nun algama nin el 55% de la media del Principáu. Esi diferencial, xunto a la densidá baxa de población (6.37 por km2), fai que viñen los proyectos pa parques eólicos.

Los políticos del Principáu inda nun falaron de llantar aeroxeneradores
nel oriente d’Asturies. La economía de Llanes, por exemplu, depende nun 67% del turismu, un sector qu’empleó a 3.340 persones nel 2006. El conceyu de Llanes contaba yá daquella con 88 hoteles y hostales, amás de 163 cases de turismu rural y 109 restaurantes. Un parque eólicu mataría’l sector.

Pa Luis Miguel Álvarez, ex-alcalde d’Ayande (PP), les conseyeríes del Principáu aprovéchense de la mengua de l’actividá ganadera de los conceyos del occidente asturianu pa imponer polítiques de plazu curtiu qu’esgoncien la riqueza natural y histórica del llugar. El pocu pesu políticu d’estos conceyos asegura amás el fechu de que nun xeneren oposición. Ye una política a la que se refier Álvarez como «pan pa güei y fame pa mañana».

«Parez que cuanto más gallegos síamos pal Principáu, menos contamos
como ciudadanos. Somos los últimos monos equí pa los políticos. ¿Por qué ye que nun hai proyectos pa un parque eólicu nuevu en Cuera?», entruga Luis Miguel.

Antonio Riveras, l’alcalde de Santalla d’Ozcos (IX), fai de cabezaleru pal occidente asturianu d’un movimientu contra los parques eólicos y les llinies d’alta tensión. En payares del 2008, mandó-y una carta a Red Eléctrica Española onde manifestaba la so oposición al plan pa un enganche nuevu de 75 km ente Galicia y Asturies. Na carta falaba del escedente enerxéticu de les dos comunidaes. Pero la razón de fondu seique yera’l fechu de que Santalla depende anguaño nun 49,7% del turismu.

Mentanto, la xente de La Puela, con una población de 767 habitantes, nun ta informao de los requerimientos n’infraestructura que supón una instalacion como la de Carondio. Pa que salga alantre’l parque van tener que construír víes d’accesu pela villa pa dar pasu a camiones con cilindros de 44 metros. Y desque tea fecha la infraestructura de tresportes, NEO Energía podría proponer proyectos nuevos pa parques en Bustantigo, Berducedo y El Valledor.

Nel cruce conocíu como El Rapigueiru, hailos que falen de llantar un vial de tres carriles que vaiga directo a El Puertu’l Palu y d’ehí a La Fana la Freita pel camín de Santiago. Otros falen del proyectu d’enanchar l’AS-219 col enganche al altor de La Capilla l'Ablanu pa cola AS-14 en direccion a Grandas de Salime. Pa un conceyu ensin semáforos, resulta chocante.

El proyectu de 51 molinos G52 nos cordales de Carondio y Murellos pue recurrise presentando alegaciones llegales hasta’l 3 de xunu del 2009. Los informes técnicos y xurídicos de les Declaraciones d’Impactu Ambiental pueden solicitase na casa conceyu. De momentu, el Conceyu dio-y el preste al plan de Genesa. Mentanto, la bandina de música tradicional d’Ayande, por desesperacion, decantóse pol nome de Los Eólicos.

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Hi, Is. We can only upload images using a third party service. The site doesn't have the capability you're looking for. Our options are to either post the text and photos as a normal message or store the PDF on the server and then link to it. (That second method is more work and harder visitors to access.)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is news in today's (June 18, 2009) LNE on the expansion of wind farms in Asturias.

The central government in Madrid is using incentives to expand renewable sources. Nothing wrong with that, as most of us would agree.

But the way in which companies and regional governments work in Spain (Asturias is a prime example), is typically skewed. They just want to maximize profits and reap the fruits of 'free money'.

The result is a sudden rush by utility companies like NEO Energia to sign up for as many wind farm licenses as possible before the deadlines expire.

Putting up 51 wind turbines in an archaeological area like Carondio, County Ayande (Allande), is no obstacle for greed. In England, locals would be up in arms over the destruction of megalithic monuments. But in Asturias, who cares?

Can someone help me find the word in Asturian or Spanish for 'greenwashing', the practice by large companies to paint everything they do as 'green'?


Principado y empresas pactan acelerar los nuevos parques eólicos

Oviedo, L. GANCEDO

Ciertos cambios normativos que ha decidido el Gobierno central han propiciado una pugna entre las regiones españolas por concretar lo antes posible sus proyectos de parques eólicos. Y Asturias está involucrada en esa carrera. A ello responde el acuerdo alcanzado ayer por el Ejecutivo autonómico y la Asociación Eólica del Principado, que reúne a las empresas con intereses en el negocio regional de la energía del viento, para agilizar la tramitación de decenas de proyectos de aerogeneración.

«Si no se acelera el plan eólico, las inversiones (2.100 millones de euros) y los parques previstos corren el riesgo de no llegar a ejecutarse nunca», expuso ayer la patronal eólica tras una reunión de su presidente, Casimiro Fernández, y otros directivos con el presidente del Principado, Vicente Álvarez Areces, y con el consejero de Industria, Graciano Torre.

Las prisas vienen por lo siguiente: el Gobierno ha creado un registro en el que deben inscribirse los parques eólicos para acceder a los incentivos que ahora cobran los productores; cuando se completen algo más de 20.000 megavatios, la lista se cerrará y con ello el acceso al actual sistema retributivo.

Para estar en la lista y evitar incertidumbres sobre los ingresos futuros y el retorno de las inversiones, las empresas necesitan obtener cuanto antes todos los permisos para sus proyectos. Para favorecerlo, el Gobierno asturiano creará una comisión especial de la que formarán parte los departamentos del Principado implicados en la tramitación y la administración, así como los ayuntamiento y las compañías promotoras.

Graciano Torre, consejero de Industria, subrayó que Asturias, con un plan eólico que prevé la instalación de parques que sumarán 1.500 megavatios de potencia, tiene a su favor que ya dispone del visto bueno de Red Eléctrica de España para la evacuación de la producción presente y futura.
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Is wrote:
Can someone help me find the word in Asturian or Spanish for 'greenwashing', the practice by large companies to paint everything they do as 'green'?

Parezme que nun hai palabra pa ello, Is. Lo normal sería dicir "mazcarase d'ecoloxista" o dalgo pol estilu. "Dir d'ecoloxista",...
En castellano igual: "disfrazarse de ecologista".
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We will soon be sending a petition to people in Asturias, Spain and abroad to stop the installation of a wind farm on Mt. Carondio in County Ayande/Allande. Here is the English version of the text.

The idea is to mail it in PDF format so people can see samples of the 34 Neolithic dolmens, menhirs and barrows along the 10km Carreiriega de Los Gal.legos.

We are targeting opinion makers all over who can lend their moral support to the cause of archaeological preservation in what constitutes the largest body of Neolithic remains in Asturias.

Do not hesitate to ask if you have questions. I'll be glad to answer.

October 10, 2009
La Puela / Pola de Allande (Asturias)

The purpose of this letter is to seek your support in protecting 34 prehistoric tombs anddolmens in the archaeological continuum that lies at the foot of Mt. Carondio (1,221 meters). Short of cash and sparsely populated, the regional government is going ahead with plans to put up a wind farm. We are in favor of renewable energy, but not at this price.

As you know, wind farms entail access roads and electricity lines that destroy landscapes. Because many of us enjoy visiting dolmens such as ‘A Llastra da Filadoira’ (The spinner’s capstone; see attached picture), we decided to seek your support.

Here are the goods:

In September 2009, the Asturian government approved a macro plan for 1000 new wind turbines, all of them in rural West Asturias. This is a scarcely populated area, and so it has been for a very long time. But the stunning Cambrian landscapes conceal a richness of Neolithic and other prehistoric monuments: ‘castros’ (Iron Age hillforts), stone engravings, ancient gold mines and what appears to be a Roman encampment.

The archaeological complex of Mt. Carondio includes dolmens that are the leading items in the municipality’s cultural page (http://www.allande.org/cultura.asp). The megaliths are located next to a stone alignment covered with heather. In addition, Mt. Carondio is referred to as a ‘protected landscape’. In fact, a previous petition to build a wind farm there in the 1990s was rejected by regional officials because of its archaeological value. The reason for the current shift is the severity of Spain’s economic recession. Those footing the bill are the Asturian counties like our own with the lowest income per capita.

The wind farm project is being spearheaded by HC Energia, an electricity company based in Lisbon. Infrastructure for the wind farm would include 25 turbines with a height of 60 meters for each pylon. The conundrum the company (and Asturian government) now faces is how to build a wind energy installation within safe distances to Neolithic barrows. Our point is that it cannot be done on archaeological land. Bulldozer operators have no inkling of what a stone alignment or burial tomb is like and bringing in workers always means large-scale earthmoving.

Mt. Carondio: overview

More than 34 Neolithic sites have been catalogued along the 10km prehistoric highland corridor known locally as ‘La Carreiriega de los Gal.legos’. The sites can be found at junctures along the footpath that served as a transportation link between the Navia and the Narcea river valleys. Some of the tombs are well preserved. Others are simple groupings of stones. Archaeologists have also discovered a Roman military encampment in the area, one of two in Asturias.

Although the government refers to this area as a ‘protected landscape’, it has not granted it the necessary legal protection. We think it was simply a formula by regional officials in the 1990s to promote tourism in the county. But this same regional administration is now behind the wind farm project because it needs municipalities like Ayande/Allande to be self-financed. They obviate the fact that tourists do not visit a nature reserve to admire wind generators.

Therefore, we are currently in the process of filing a legal complaint in court in Oviedo, the Asturian capital, to prevent the installation of the wind farm in Mt. Carondio. We think a policy that promotes cultural preservation and sustainable development for outlying rural areas is the way ahead for West Asturias, not selling archaeological land wholesale to electricity companies.

We have also opened an account at Cajastur (the regional savings bank) to cover the legal fees involved. The account number for Mt. Carondio is:

IBAN: ES5520480074173400016282

Please find attached the English-language version of an article that appeared in the Asturian weekly Les Noticies on May 24, 2009, as well as recent photographs that show how HC Energia is preparing to clear obstacles along the way. It would be an honor if you could extend your support to the cause of Mt. Carondio through statements that we can cite in the Asturian and Spanish media. Again, your moral authority would be enormously helpful in mobilizing public opinion.

Thank you very much for your time.

Citizens for the Preservation of Mt. Carondio

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Pronto vamos a enviar una peticion a gente de Asturias, Espana y del extranjero para evitar que se instale un parque eolico en la zona arqueologica de 10km al pie del Picu Carondio, Ayande/Allande. Esta es la version en castellano.

La idea es mandar el correo en formato PDF y que resalten fotografias de los 34 tumulos neoliticos a lo largo de la Carreiriega de los Gal.legos. Nos gustaria llegar el folleto informativo en especial a gente que pueda movilizar a la opinion publica sobre la conservacion arqueologica. Si teneis preguntas o ideas, ponedlas aqui en el foro.

10 de octubre 2009
La Puela / Pola de Allande (Asturias)

El propósito de esta carta es conseguir tu apoyo para la protección de un conjunto de 34 túmulos al pié del Pico Carondio (1.221m). Falto de fondos y escasamente poblado, el gobierno regional asturiano quiere tramitar urgentemente la instalación de un parque eólico en este paraje. Estamos a favor de energías renovables, pero no a este precio.

Como sabrás, los parques eólicos necesitan de viales de acceso, así como de líneas de alta tensión que acaban destruyendo el paisaje. Muchos de nosotros tenemos el privilegio de poder visitar dólmenes como ‘A Llastra da Filadoira’ (ver foto adjunta) al pié del Pico Carondio.

Parques eólicos y la recesión económica:

En septiembre de 2009, el gobierno regional asturiano dio luz verde a un macro-plan para la instalación de unos 1000 aerogeneradores en Asturias, todos ellos en la zona occidental de la región. Desde hace decadas, el occidente asturiano sufre un éxodo rural hacia las ciudades. Pero la naturaleza aquí recuerda a paisajes cámbricos, con una riqueza inmensa de megalitos, castros de la Edad del Hierro, grabados en piedra, minas de oro de época romana y lo que parece ser un campamento militar romano.

El conjunto arqueológico del Pico Carondio incluye dólmenes que utiliza el municipio como reclamo turístico (http://www.allande.org/cultura.asp). Pero además de promocionar sus dólmenes, el municipio de Allande se refiere a Carondio como un ‘paisaje protegido’. Un intento previo de instalar aerogeneradores en la zona fue rechazado por el gobierno regional por su alto valor arqueológico. La razón por el cambio actual es la gravedad de la recesión económica en España. Los que pagan la factura, en Asturias, serán precisamente los concejos del occidente con menor renta per cápita.

El proyecto del parque está encabezado por HC Energía, una empresa de electricidad con sede en Lisboa. La infraestructura constaría de 25 aerogeneradores (molinos de viento) de una altura de 60m. El problema al que se enfrenta la empresa (y las autoridades) es como mantener distancias de seguridad a los monumentos prehistóricos. Nosotros creemos que no se puede levantar un parque eólico en zona arqueológica. Los operarios de las palas excavadoras no estan preparados para distinguir entre un megalito y un montón de piedras.

Pico Carondio

A lo largo de 10km, al pie del Pico Carondio, transcurre un camino prehistórico conocido como ‘La Carreiriega de los Gallegos’. Se han catalogado 34 túmulos funerarios en la carta arqueológica de Allande. La mayoría se encuentra a ambos lados del camino que servía de nexo entre las cuencas del Río Navia y del Narcea. Algunos yacimientos están bien conservados. De otros se conservan agrupaciones de piedras hincadas.

A pesar de que el gobierno regional y el municipio se refieren a Carondio como un ‘paisaje protegido’, no tiene ningún vigor legal. Creemos que fue una fórmula del gobierno regional para atraer el turismo hacia el concejo en la década de los 90. La administración regional en Oviedo ahora aprueba la instalación de más parques eólicos con la excusa de que concejos como Allande se auto-financien. Olvidan que los turistas no vienen a nuestras comarcas para admirar paisajes cubiertos de aerogeneradores de Gamesa.

Por esta razón, la Coordinadora Ecoloxista d’Asturies (CEA) ha presentado un recurso administrativo en Oviedo contra el proyecto del parque eólico de Carondio, a la que nos hemos unido. Creemos que una política encaminada a conservar nuestro patrimonio y el desarrollo sostenible es la fórmula más acertada para el occidente de Asturias, y no la venta al por mayor de nuestros recursos a empresas de electricidad.

También hemos abierto una cuenta en Cajastur para cubrir los gastos de un abogado. Se trata de esta cuenta:

IBAN: ES5520480074173400016282

Adjunto encontrarás un artículo que apareció en el semanario asturiano Les Noticies el pasado 24 de mayo de 2009, así como fotos recientes que demuestran como HC Energía ya está ensanchando carreteras y moviendo más de 10.000m3 de tierra. Sería un verdadero honor para nosotros contar con tu apoyo para Carondio. En cualquier caso, tu autoridad moral nos ayudaría a movilizar a la opinión pública sobre este tema.

Muchas gracias,

Colectivu Ciudadanu pola Conservacion de Carondio

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cultural treasures should always be preserved. How can we in the EEUU send a donation to the account?

Trans. Is

El patrimoniu cultural siempre lu hai que conservar. Como se fai dende America una donacion a la cuenta?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for asking, Bob. I'd forgotten to include the IBAN and Swift codes for the bank account with Cajastur. They are as follows:

IBAN: ES5520480074173400016282


Gracias por entrugar, Bob. Esqueici afitar los codigos IBAN ya Swift pa Cajastur. Aiqui tan:

IBAN: ES5520480074173400016282
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Is.

Have alternative sites been suggested?

Is there a way to send money to that bank account without wiring it (which is expensive)? Could interested members send you cash via PayPal?

I hope you'll keep us informed about this project.


Gracias, Is.

¿Ha alguien sugerido sitios alternativos?

¿Hay una manera de enviar dinero a esa cuenta bancaria sin hacerlo electrónicamente (lo cual es carísimo)? ¿Tal vez los miembros interesados podrían enviarte dinero a través de PayPal?

Espero que nos mantengas actualizado sobre este proyecto.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Art wrote:
Have alternative sites been suggested? Is there a way to send money to that bank account without wiring it (which is expensive)? Could interested members send you cash via PayPal?
¿Han sugerido sitios alternativos? ¿Hay alguna manera de enviar dinero a esa cuenta bancaria sin hacerlo electrónicamente (lo cual es carísimo)? ¿Tal vez los miembros interesados podrían enviarte dinero a través de PayPal?

Alternate sites? Well, not really because the regional government in Asturias wants to sell as much 'space' to renewable energy producers as possible before the tax incentives and loans are exhausted. They plan to put up 1,000 new wind turbines in West Asturias (and only in West Asturias).

As for Carondio, the 'alternative' plan they have been suggesting for years is to keep token distances of 25-75m to the megalithic monuments. What we are arguing in the lawsuit is that you cannot build a wind farm (like you can't build a factory) on archaeological land. And this is one of the richest archaeological sites in Asturias in terms of prehistoric finds.

The problem now is that the Cultural Department of the Asturian regional government (Consejeria de Cultura, Seccion de Patrimonio) is not allowing any one to see the latest project proposed by HC Energia, the electricity company. The Socialists in Asturias constantly play up their transparency credentials and yet oddly enough, the file for Carondio is locked up.

I have called several times myself from outside Asturias to ask those at the other end of the line and am given excuses. What we could do is for members of this forum to call Patrimonio in Oviedo, the Asturian capital, and ask why the file for Carondio is not freely accessible. Spain, as I recently found out, has not yet passed a 'Freedom of Information Act' like we have in the US.

Re Paypal, I'll look into that later. But right now the Coordinadora Ecoloxista d'Asturies says donations are streaming in. So the challenge here is to find a lawyer who will be able to open the documents that are locked up for ordinary 'citizens'. I use that word because 'ciudadanos' is the current PC buzzword for 'constituents' in Spain, dis-empowered as they are.
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